Not been here since 2007. Someone has been collecting everything into one pile, and added one of the new metal crosses we are seeing at almost all of the sites now. Ian DB thinks there is less wreckage than before, and notes that the red ring around the fuel point has been lifted (by some light-fingered anorak - my comment)
Monday, 7 January 2019
North American Sabre Mk.2 19234
Not been here since 2007. Someone has been collecting everything into one pile, and added one of the new metal crosses we are seeing at almost all of the sites now. Ian DB thinks there is less wreckage than before, and notes that the red ring around the fuel point has been lifted (by some light-fingered anorak - my comment)
Thursday, 16 August 2018
North American F. Mk.4 Sabres (or are they Canadair CL-13s?) XD707 and XD730 :
Pat Cunningham (in the pic) offers the following information about the crash of two Sabres from No.66 Squadron, RAF Linton-on-Ouse, No. 12 Group, Fighter Command onto Kinder Scout and Black Ashop Moor on 22 July 1954 in which the formating pilots (Flying Officer James D. Horne, section leader (XD707) and Flight Lieutenant Alan Green, formating pilot (XD730)) were both killed.
The North American F-86 Sabre and its Canadair version, the CL 13
In the early 1950s the British-designed replacements for the by-then outclassed Meteor and Vampire fighters were suffering many developmental problems, so the appearance early in the Korean War (1950-53) of the Soviet MiGs quite discomfited the Royal Air Force planners. Accordingly, in fulfilment of a mutual defence agreement, Canada made over to the RAF 431 Sabre jets.
Fortuitously, the RAF was not a total stranger to the swept-wing type, a few of its pilots having flown with the Americans in Korea, in the process shooting down a number of MiG-15 jets. The first of the F-86 Sabre series flew in late 1947, but the version the RAF received was a 1950s development with, significantly, in terms of performance, an all-flying tail. Powered by an Allison J47-GE-13 engine developing 5,200 pounds of static thrust, it had a maximum speed of 679 mph (590 knots) at sea level, an initial climb rate of 7,250 feet a minute, and a laden weight of 17,806 pounds.
Most pilots found the Sabre a delight to fly and many expressed disappointment when it was replaced by the Supermarine Swift and by the early marks of the Hawker Hunter. Just the same, by mid-1956 Hunters had completely replaced the RAF’s Sabres, both in Germany and in the UK.
Tuesday, 7 August 2018
North American F-86 Sabre F.Mk 4s XD707 + XD730: Kinder Scout Crash Site Vandalism
I've had time to a bit of wreck hunting again. For anyone who doesn't know, this blog is the site that published accurate coordinates for the crash sites on Kinder Scout, amongst other places. We are going to be doing this again, now that I have rebooted the site.
We went to the Sabre wreck sites on Kinder Scout yesterday. The more exposed of the two jet engines has acquired a number of saw cuts since I last photographed it.
It looks like people wanted to take some bits home. All illegal of course. People died at this site.
Location:
SK 07348 90256
Saturday, 24 July 2010
North American F-86 Sabre F.Mk 4s XD707 + XD730
The cockpit from one of the Kinder Sabres is in someone's house, along with a great deal of stuff from other crash sites, and assorted ordnance....
Thursday, 24 January 2008
North American Sabre F-86 F.Mk 4s XD707 + XD730
Ashop Clough: Sabres
Originally uploaded by seansonofbig2
The elusive second jet engine, finally located, half a mile from the impact point on top of Kinder. Amazing that it was thrown so far. Turns out this was the very first thing we found on our first visit, we just didn't know what we were looking at at the time...
Location:SK 07546 90391
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Thursday, 29 November 2007
North American F-86 Sabre F.Mk 4s XD707 + XD730
Sabres: Kinder
Originally uploaded by seansonofbig
This jet engine on Ashop Moor has been dropped onto its side by someone since our last visit. Or maybe it's the elusive second engine? We are investigating. See 24th Jan 2008 post for results of the investigation.
Location: SK 07348 90256
North American F-86 Sabre F.Mk 4s XD707 + XD730
Sabres: Kinder
Originally uploaded by seansonofbig
A detail from a collection on Ashop Moor with many electrical components at SK 07327 90072
North American F-86 Sabre F.Mk 4s XD707 + XD730
Sabres: Kinder
Originally uploaded by seansonofbig
Other than scraps, this was the only collection of fragments we found on the descent to Ashop Moor.
Location: SK 07015 89912
North American F-86 Sabre F.Mk 4s XD707 + XD730
North American F-86 Sabre F.Mk 4s XD707 + XD730
Sabres: Kinder
Originally uploaded by seansonofbig
The vicinity of the impact site at : SK 06925 89678
North American F-86 Sabre F.Mk 4s XD707 + XD730
Sabres: Kinder
Originally uploaded by seansonofbig
RAF Roundel on this wing fragment from a collection at SK 06977 89721
North American F-86 Sabre F.Mk 4s XD707 + XD730
North American F-86 Sabre F.Mk 4s XD707 + XD730
Sabres: Kinder
Originally uploaded by seansonofbig
Still on top of Kinder Scout, this was at SK 06959 89767
North American F-86 Sabre F.Mk 4s XD707 + XD730
Sabres: Kinder
Originally uploaded by seansonofbig
We went up on top of Kinder Scout, and then down onto Ashop Moor today to find the impact site and other bits from this mid-air collision of two Sabre jet fighters which we missed on our previous visit.
This collection of bits was the first we found on Kinder Scout at: SK 07012 89795
Thursday, 19 July 2007
North American Sabre Mk.2 19234
Sabre Wreck:Holme Moss
Originally uploaded by seansonofbig
With Mick away in Australia, I'm reduced to experimenting with blogging direct from my Flickr site(though me and Barry will be out next Thursday). When we found the Swordfish, we also popped over to get some better pics of the nearby Sabre wreck. There are more on my Flickr Site. If you click through on the above pic, it's much more high-res than the other pics on here, and shows the complete wreckage
Thursday, 7 June 2007
North American F86 Sabre Mk.2 19234,Consolidated B-24H Liberator 42-94841
Liberator wreck was at:

SE 10632 03385
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Sabre at:

SE 09101 05072
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More pics from our wreckhunting outings are posted here.


